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rainsometimes) wrote2010-05-25 10:34 pm
rainsometimes) wrote2010-05-25 10:34 pm
One Piece chapters 583-585
I've got some disjointed thoughts on the latest three chapters of One Piece.
First, I want to say that while I was very interested and intrigued by chapters 583 and 584, I also had some problems with them. I wholly enjoyed #585, though. I'm dividing them up with under separate cuts so readers who want to avoid negativity (or positivity??;p) can do so more easily.
Chapters 584, 585 On the one hand, I'm quite happy to finally - finally! - get to know all these things about Luffy's background that have hitherto been almost completely blank. His mother's fate and identity remain unknown, as do the reasons for Dragon abandoning him, but otherwise our picture of Early Luffy is a lot more complete now. Early Ace, too - and boy, that part is shocking, how much different he was back then from the carefree young man we first met in the story. I was delighted to find out that Dadan was a woman. There's a real satisfaction in getting all this stuff filled in.
On the other... well. First.
Too Much Angst; or, Where Did The Happy Idyll Go?
My tolerance for sad, heavy, really hard-hitting drama has been severely strained these last few months - maybe even the last year or so - of the manga. It's already heartbreaking enough just to see Ace as a little kid with the whole future waiting for him, so why add so much extra pain and darkness in their pasts? I found it hard to take, and I can't help but feel I'd like these chapters so much more if they'd been put before Marineford. No doubt Oda's got some good reason for it, and I may well feel differently once the flashback is over, but that's my immediate emotional reaction right now.
Similarly, I have to wonder why it feels like every Strawhat flashback have to outdo the former in sadness. It just gets a bit too much, at times. I mourned the presence of peaceful Fuusha village in this new, dark, edgier version of Luffy's past. (Not that it's a retcon, of course - Oda probably had it all clear in his head ages ago - just giving the impression it had on me).
Also, as an Usopp fan I confess I'm disappointed that his and Luffy's backgrounds aren't all that similar after all. It makes me wonder if we're supposed to think that Usopp - with his safe, peaceful and relatively not-too-bad background - is a lot more shallow than the other Strawhats and particularly than Luffy-the-protagonist-who's-suffered-so-much-more. That thought, unwarranted though it probably is, still made me sad.
Luffy's Strength
My other problem was mostly from chapter 483 and the start of 484. See, in chapter 1, "Romance Dawn", Luffy actually struck me as a decently normal kid. Braver and more stubborn than most, sure, and Shanks example and above all his sacrifice would clearly push and inspire the kid for greatness. But he still seemed fairly real.
Seventeen-year old Luffy is, of course, not so normal any more. But I've never really had a problem with that, because Oda presents such a great mix of his personality and fits the storylines to it so that his (Luffy's) heroism always feels right to me. I enjoy being surprised by him time and again, and while I don't always understand him, that doesn't stop me from being awfully fond of him.
So, clearly something happened during ten years to make the 7-year-old brat (who could be a bit of a whiner) into 17-year-old pirate. Probably not just Garp's hard training, either, but something more emotional - not just the memory of Shanks' sacrifice, though that would likely remain important. I was fine with that.
However... I didn't expect the hard bits to happen so early. Didn't expect Dadan and her gang to be so brutal and uncaring of their charges, didn't expect Garp to have such bad judgment (in fact I'm not even sure if I like Garp anymore); certainly didn't expect li'l Ace to be so angst-ridden and hostile to everyone and quite cruel to li'l Luffy.
And I also didn't expect Luffy to be so extremely tough and determined and apparently selfless already. He felt too much like the Luffy we know, under the circumstances. Paradoxically, this made Flashback Luffy less plausible and harder to relate to, to me.
But then later in chapter 584, we get a very moving explanation, when the crying Luffy explains why he couldn't reveal Ace's and Sabo's treasure even under torture. He didn't have anybody - he couldn't go back to Fuusha village (not sure why not, but okay); and there was only Garp, when it came to family. Pain was better than being alone. *sniffle* This just explains so much about Luffy.
Still. I didn't like the torture scene at all. Just felt like way too much, as did Luffy's withstanding it so heroically, even if his motivation at least made sense now. I know that heroes in popular fiction are never allowed to give in to torture, but that didn't mean Oda had to put the torture there in the first place. It seemed to imply that Ace and Sabo were so hard-hearted that only Luffy's withstanding all that pain for them could make them befriend him.
Anyway! On to the latest chapter, which I really liked! There's a new angsty turn of events at the very end, but before that, there was actual happiness! The part I liked the best was Makino turning up. The Mayor, too, but mostly Makino. A really nice person with no tough-guy posturing - it's been way too long to see that. She was only in a couple of panels, but the context was greatly cheering. Fuusha Village is still a part of Luffy's life after all, and at least two of its inhabitants can be trusted with knowing where Ace and Luffy are.
In a different way, it also felt good to see the layout of Goa Kingdom,as we now know the island is called edit as of chapter 589: actually, the island is "Dawn Island" - Goa Kingdom is the political entity/edit; where the mountains, the Gray Terminal, Fuusha Village and the capital are in relation to each other. The description of the city as a completely segregated society - super-clean, puts all its trash in Gray Terminal - was arresting. The Capital of Goa Kingdom may well be the place closest to RL Western civilization. Raid it, boys! Raid it!
Also. I like Sabo! I like that there were three brothers, and not two - to be honest, the constant emphasis on Ace and Luffy's relationship during the past year and more (moving though it has been, and led to insights about them both) had made me just a little reluctant to see even more focus on it. But Sabo's presence makes it more multifaceted, not so locked and exclusive anymore. And I appreciate that. (That's how I feel right now, anyway - future plot twists may well make me eat my words!) Furthermore, the revelations about his own background serves to further ram in one of the great themes of this series - genetic family can be good but also bad; the chosen family is better. Biological parents (Dragon, Yasopp, Nico Olivia, Franky's parents) can leave you behind, while surrogate parents/mentors are more likely to sacrifice themselves for your sake. (Leaving you with crippling guilt, perhaps, but still!) And sometimes parents cause their children even more harm than that, pushing them into their set norms out of pure selfishness.
But I still really miss the crew.
EDIT: *facepalm* ...way to mix up the chapter numbers with those a hundred chapters back, self. Corrected to 583-585. *>_<*
First, I want to say that while I was very interested and intrigued by chapters 583 and 584, I also had some problems with them. I wholly enjoyed #585, though. I'm dividing them up with under separate cuts so readers who want to avoid negativity (or positivity??;p) can do so more easily.
Chapters 584, 585 On the one hand, I'm quite happy to finally - finally! - get to know all these things about Luffy's background that have hitherto been almost completely blank. His mother's fate and identity remain unknown, as do the reasons for Dragon abandoning him, but otherwise our picture of Early Luffy is a lot more complete now. Early Ace, too - and boy, that part is shocking, how much different he was back then from the carefree young man we first met in the story. I was delighted to find out that Dadan was a woman. There's a real satisfaction in getting all this stuff filled in.
On the other... well. First.
Too Much Angst; or, Where Did The Happy Idyll Go?
My tolerance for sad, heavy, really hard-hitting drama has been severely strained these last few months - maybe even the last year or so - of the manga. It's already heartbreaking enough just to see Ace as a little kid with the whole future waiting for him, so why add so much extra pain and darkness in their pasts? I found it hard to take, and I can't help but feel I'd like these chapters so much more if they'd been put before Marineford. No doubt Oda's got some good reason for it, and I may well feel differently once the flashback is over, but that's my immediate emotional reaction right now.
Similarly, I have to wonder why it feels like every Strawhat flashback have to outdo the former in sadness. It just gets a bit too much, at times. I mourned the presence of peaceful Fuusha village in this new, dark, edgier version of Luffy's past. (Not that it's a retcon, of course - Oda probably had it all clear in his head ages ago - just giving the impression it had on me).
Also, as an Usopp fan I confess I'm disappointed that his and Luffy's backgrounds aren't all that similar after all. It makes me wonder if we're supposed to think that Usopp - with his safe, peaceful and relatively not-too-bad background - is a lot more shallow than the other Strawhats and particularly than Luffy-the-protagonist-who's-suffered-so-much-more. That thought, unwarranted though it probably is, still made me sad.
Luffy's Strength
My other problem was mostly from chapter 483 and the start of 484. See, in chapter 1, "Romance Dawn", Luffy actually struck me as a decently normal kid. Braver and more stubborn than most, sure, and Shanks example and above all his sacrifice would clearly push and inspire the kid for greatness. But he still seemed fairly real.
Seventeen-year old Luffy is, of course, not so normal any more. But I've never really had a problem with that, because Oda presents such a great mix of his personality and fits the storylines to it so that his (Luffy's) heroism always feels right to me. I enjoy being surprised by him time and again, and while I don't always understand him, that doesn't stop me from being awfully fond of him.
So, clearly something happened during ten years to make the 7-year-old brat (who could be a bit of a whiner) into 17-year-old pirate. Probably not just Garp's hard training, either, but something more emotional - not just the memory of Shanks' sacrifice, though that would likely remain important. I was fine with that.
However... I didn't expect the hard bits to happen so early. Didn't expect Dadan and her gang to be so brutal and uncaring of their charges, didn't expect Garp to have such bad judgment (in fact I'm not even sure if I like Garp anymore); certainly didn't expect li'l Ace to be so angst-ridden and hostile to everyone and quite cruel to li'l Luffy.
And I also didn't expect Luffy to be so extremely tough and determined and apparently selfless already. He felt too much like the Luffy we know, under the circumstances. Paradoxically, this made Flashback Luffy less plausible and harder to relate to, to me.
But then later in chapter 584, we get a very moving explanation, when the crying Luffy explains why he couldn't reveal Ace's and Sabo's treasure even under torture. He didn't have anybody - he couldn't go back to Fuusha village (not sure why not, but okay); and there was only Garp, when it came to family. Pain was better than being alone. *sniffle* This just explains so much about Luffy.
Still. I didn't like the torture scene at all. Just felt like way too much, as did Luffy's withstanding it so heroically, even if his motivation at least made sense now. I know that heroes in popular fiction are never allowed to give in to torture, but that didn't mean Oda had to put the torture there in the first place. It seemed to imply that Ace and Sabo were so hard-hearted that only Luffy's withstanding all that pain for them could make them befriend him.
Anyway! On to the latest chapter, which I really liked! There's a new angsty turn of events at the very end, but before that, there was actual happiness! The part I liked the best was Makino turning up. The Mayor, too, but mostly Makino. A really nice person with no tough-guy posturing - it's been way too long to see that. She was only in a couple of panels, but the context was greatly cheering. Fuusha Village is still a part of Luffy's life after all, and at least two of its inhabitants can be trusted with knowing where Ace and Luffy are.
In a different way, it also felt good to see the layout of Goa Kingdom,
Also. I like Sabo! I like that there were three brothers, and not two - to be honest, the constant emphasis on Ace and Luffy's relationship during the past year and more (moving though it has been, and led to insights about them both) had made me just a little reluctant to see even more focus on it. But Sabo's presence makes it more multifaceted, not so locked and exclusive anymore. And I appreciate that. (That's how I feel right now, anyway - future plot twists may well make me eat my words!) Furthermore, the revelations about his own background serves to further ram in one of the great themes of this series - genetic family can be good but also bad; the chosen family is better. Biological parents (Dragon, Yasopp, Nico Olivia, Franky's parents) can leave you behind, while surrogate parents/mentors are more likely to sacrifice themselves for your sake. (Leaving you with crippling guilt, perhaps, but still!) And sometimes parents cause their children even more harm than that, pushing them into their set norms out of pure selfishness.
But I still really miss the crew.
EDIT: *facepalm* ...way to mix up the chapter numbers with those a hundred chapters back, self. Corrected to 583-585. *>_<*
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The flashback arc is working to both increase and decrease that feeling. It makes Ace's words and actions that much more poignant on the one hand (and your family theme comments really ring true to me), but on the other hand it just makes his death that much more UGLY as well. We've known almost from the beginning (see Axe Hand Morgan for the marines and Alvida for the pirates) that the One Piece world isn't pretty or nice but that fact has been beaten into us for two years now. I need some LIGHT gosh darn it.
As for Luffy...I see your points but at the same time I think this really adds to his levels of complexity, which we've seen flashes of before and that are now being made clear. Garp...not a winning family figure on the one hand but we don't know any of his motivations so I'm withholding judgement.
Regarding Usopp, I don't think it cheapens it at all. Usopp and Chopper to me have parallel youths. It's about isolation. No, Usopp wasn't shunned but there's a feeling of some self-removal on his part that could lead to similar internalized feelings. Luffy, at least, has never been alone or made to feel alone, for the most part.
To conclude this horribly disjointed reply, I MISS THE STRAWHAT CREW SO VERY VERY MUCH and just want them back as soon as possible.
I need a Zoro/Usopp/Nami/Chopper/Robin/Franky/Brook/even SANJI fix so bad that I can't articulate it!
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...though I read someone say that at least this way, Ace died protecting his little brother, rather than just being a lamb on the chopping-block. And he got to say some really important things. But as I think
It makes Ace's words and actions that much more poignant on the one hand (and your family theme comments really ring true to me), but on the other hand it just makes his death that much more UGLY as well.
*nod nod* I missed it the first time around, but when Ace says he'll never run or back down from anyone... that's chilling. And heart-breaking, now. ;______________;
You are right about Luffy's complexity getting out into the sunlight much more clearly, though. Can't really deny that, despite other complaints.
(You know what I think this arc needs, I just realised? More female characters! *misses Nami and Robin so badly*)
Usopp and Chopper to me have parallel youths. It's about isolation. No, Usopp wasn't shunned but there's a feeling of some self-removal on his part that could lead to similar internalized feelings. Luffy, at least, has never been alone or made to feel alone, for the most part.
Luffy really hates to be alone, we know now - and always tries hard to make sure he's not.
Good point about Usopp and Chopper. Usopp was accepted by the village, yes... but he still didn't truly feel like he fit in there. And while his physical needs were obviously cared for after his mom's death, it seems to be due to the whole village taking turns. There was apparently no one or two persons stepping in as a parental substitue when it came to caring for him emotionally and provide a role model. Maybe he idolised his father so much he wouldn't have accepted the role model part, though.
I need those fixes too!